he has published, he has had some chilling words about a number of things, but one of the things he talks about is integrity. he says, honor, courage and commitment are traits embedded in his dna. was he that type of serious-thinking person, hung up on integrity? did he discuss those things back then? >> yeah, he definitely was. i had an interview earlier, i talked about he was a very analytical kid, young man at the time. yes, he was serious. you know, so those things in his manifesto do definitely fit the characteristics of who he was in college, but, you know, he would -- i was just completely dumb founded and just at a loss when i found out this was chris dorner, because this was not the person anybody knew him back then, his teammates back then, anyone that was his friend up to a certain point, that wasn't the young man i knew.